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Author: Peter
Jul 22, 2014, 10:44:53 AM

Audio review of NuLine 264 with ATM

Dear fellow listeners and audiophiles, dear Nubert team!

Having not regretted my purchase of the NuLine 264 last year, I have been eagerly awaiting the release of the matching ATM module (for months!). I had one of the first ones sent to me straight away. Here are my impressions so far (after about 2 weeks of extensive listening):

Despite my own "trimmed" expectations ("the difference can't be that dramatic..."), I'm glad that the difference is so big after all.

I know that describing listening impressions is one of those things - but I tried anyway. Maybe it will help some of you.

The increase in low bass - actually just an "increase" in the volume of the low frequencies - is clearly audible, everything sounds "juicier", but not swollen. But that wasn't really the main feature I had expected. Well, of course it was, but not the main feature.

What is really striking and what I have already experienced on other occasions is, on the one hand, the increase in spatial information / spatiality and, on the other hand, a greatly increased naturalness of all vocal and instrumental layers.

Whereas previously (before using the ATM-264) I was delighted at how strictly neutral and analytical the NuLine 264s reproduced certain passages, now the joy at noticing the neutrality has given way to astonishment and enthusiasm at the fact that there is no longer anything that makes you think: "Oh - that's just right" when listening to music. Without having to think about the technical intricacies or get carried away - it's just music. Really strong!

I'm thrilled all round.

I made a small change to the system beforehand (some people may be interested in this...): I swapped my Rotel RB-981 power amplifier for a NAD BEE 245 (in bi-amping) - this already resulted in a much(!) more precise bass reproduction. The Rotel was simply too soft - a beaten drum didn't "hit the spot".

But only with the ATM-264 is the music "just there" without discussion and intensive listening. You don't miss any frequencies and none are "added".

It is also very nice to be able to hear the bass a little more clearly when you are "only" listening quietly / at "normal" volume. And that doesn't mean that you "twist" anything in the frequency response, it just prevents the low frequencies (which the speaker - despite its pleasingly unobtrusive "size" - can do!) from dropping "below the hearing threshold" too early, so to speak.

What's more - since I had to place the speakers "critically" close to the wall and corners due to the geometry of the living room :-(, I can now activate the lowering of the low frequencies and the settings on the ATM still prevent the lower frequencies from being "undersupplied". Very successful!

Finally, I would like to say that I am not related to Mr. Nubert or his team by blood or marriage and I have not received any money for this statement. But I would gladly accept it :-))).

Many thanks for this excellent speaker/electronics combination. I can thoroughly recommend the NuLine 264 without ATM - with ATM it is a small revelation. And I'm sure you won't need the NuLine 284 anymore.

Many greetings to the team,
Peter

Answer from the Nubert-Team

Thank you very much for your detailed report on the new ATM for nuLine 264! With regard to your (certainly not serious) comment about "accepting money", we would like to point out that all entries here in the guestbook were written voluntarily by our customers and that there is no remuneration for them. And we are proud of that.

Author: Thomas R.
Jul 21, 2014, 1:41:16 PM

Dear Nubians,
I found you on the Internet by chance and became more and more curious. Since I had been wanting new speakers for some time, I started with the Nubox (2013) W-201 as a center. I was really surprised how much more I could hear after the first exchange. Then the AW-443 followed as a subwoofer - no more booming, just rich, dry bass! I then replaced the feet with the large "coasters" from you, and no more annoying resonances are transmitted at all. Then I bought the Nubox 513 directly in Aalen - returning from the Allgäu. Very nice, slim speakers with a great sound volume. The 303s have now been added as rear speakers.
have been added. Very airy sound in dipole mode, which helps movies as well as music from records or CDs. And all this with an ancient AV receiver from Marantz! What will the sound experience be like when this is also replaced...
In short: it's true, I can hear what I couldn't hear before! And I can now also see that there are some simply bad recordings in my collection that are exposed by really good speakers.
In any case, I am totally thrilled and have and will always recommend you to others.
A big thank you to you all.

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Author: christian
Jul 20, 2014, 8:11:49 AM

Hello,

the Nupro A-200 are great, but if they run for longer than 3 hours, they get really hot on the metal plates where the connections are attached.

Of course there are amplifiers built in that generate heat, but is that normal?

thanks+greetings
Christian

Answer from the Nubert-Team

Hello Christian,
yes, the power amplifier reaches a temperature of approx. 40°C during operation, but this is well within the CE standard, so in this respect everything is fine :-)!

Greetings from the team

Author: m.seidel
Jul 18, 2014, 5:14:50 PM

about a year ago, after a lot of research, i picked up the NULINE 34 from nubert, and i use it to sound a 20 m² living room, i listen to a lot of jazz/classical music, the amplifier is an as 700 and the matching cd-player, after a bit of back and forth sliding around in the small room, which is also square 😟, i finally found the right position. after a bit of shifting around in the small room, which is also square 😟 i finally found the right position in the room and was very impressed by the sound of these very well made speakers, deep, structured bass, clear highs and pleasant mids, a lot of stage ... super ! since the two hi-fi components of this brand are a bit bright and the spatiality could possibly be a bit better, i ordered an ATM, after a little test time i had the turn out, the mids and highs a bit out and the bass between 10- 11 o'clock and you hear and marvel .... the stage gained some depth and width as well as the entire sound image was improved a lot WITHOUT distorting .... FANTASTIC ! i am very happy with it ! 😂

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Author: Armin
Jul 18, 2014, 12:57:18 PM

I just have to get rid of this ... defective box over two years old, no invoice available ... the service from Nubert responded super to my help e-mail ... retrieved the old invoice, no discussion about the warranty case, sent me the shipping packaging, repaired it within a week and sent it back ... big praise to the colleagues ... my next speaker will certainly be from Nubert again ... Thank you....

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Author: ScanAll GmbH
Jul 12, 2014, 1:19:50 PM

In my post dated 04.07.2014 13:01, I complained that the AW-17 had not been delivered.
Now it's been here for just under a week.
And I have to say that the sound (and the workmanship) actually makes up for any waiting time!

If Nubert delivers quickly, it's good ? if Nubert delivers later, it's also good, because you simply can't get something like this anywhere else at this price.

We use the sub in our company, but the AW-17 is also a great high-end hi-fi speaker. I know what I'm talking about, because I have the good old reference Infinity Betas at home (more effort for clean bass was rarely made).
In contrast to the Infinity speakers, however, the Nubert is several classes cheaper and far better processed and the people at Nubert are also extremely friendly (despite the fact that I was in a very, very bad mood when I called because the subwoofer wasn't delivered on time).
Hats off to them. I can only recommend Nubert. I don't know any other Nubert speakers ? but if they are as good as the subwoofer, then you could easily put the Monster Infinity in a museum.
Best regards
Michael

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Author: Kraft
Jul 5, 2014, 5:46:34 PM

Hello
I have been listening to music very happily with my old Jbl 100t for 9 years. Now it's time for something new.
My choice falls on the nuVero 11 or 14. I have read a lot about their speakers, and I keep noticing in hi-fi magazines that their Lsp can play very loud. Well, can they also play quietly? Many loudspeakers need a certain level to sound reasonable, what about your loudspeakers? How many watts do they need to come across dynamically at low levels? How far away do you have to sit from these Lsp so that everything from the Lsp can unfold freely?
Which amplifier or pre-end combination would be optimal for the 11 or 14?
Which amplifiers do you use to test your Lsp?
Thank you very much

Answer from the Nubert-Team

Dear Mr. Kraft,
the nuVero 14 and 11 even have a special technical feature with the switchable bass crossover, which makes the sound more voluminous even at lower volumes than is the case with most other loudspeakers on the market.
Your JBL 100t probably has a slightly higher efficiency than the nuVero, but probably not as deep bass. You don't need a lot of power to achieve dynamic sound at lower volumes.
In larger living rooms, the edge length of the equilateral stereo triangle (i.e. the listening distance to each of the two speakers) is usually between 2.5 and 3.5 meters. The smaller the triangle, the less the room acoustics affect the sound. We do not wish to specify which amplifiers we recommend here. We recommend that you call our HotLine.
Your Nubert team

Author: Christian Grave
Jul 4, 2014, 2:06:53 PM

I've been a satisfied owner of a nuWave 10 pair plus ATM module for about 10 years, but have been toying with a new purchase for some time, assuming that a lot had happened in terms of sound in the meantime. After a thorough study of forum posts and nubert material, I'll probably stick with my nuWave oldies, because a lot of things are too unclear to me; for example, why the all-important convex baffle, still present in the nuWave series, was omitted in the nuLine series. Just to remind you, both series played/play in the same price league. Why is that? It's back in the nuVero series. Is the customer being "driven" to the more expensive speaker? And why are loudspeaker manufacturers making life so difficult for themselves by slimming down the drivers and then having to "trick" in order to achieve decent bass with smaller domes and less volume? What was wrong with the old dimensions? Well, since some forum members have described how good the old nuWave speakers sound compared to the current nuLine and nuVero speakers, especially the bass, which sometimes has to do with the changed dimensions, I'll stay loyal to my nuWaves, but of course I'll keep an eye on what's going on at nubert.
Take care.

Regards
Christian Grave

Answer from the Nubert-Team

Dear Mr. Grave,
Thank you for your comments. We had an agreement that we would no longer use the name "nuWave" for our speakers from 2009. The plan for the "nuVero" series was not to create a successor series in a similar price range, but to go to great lengths to produce an even higher quality series. All chassis and crossovers were completely redeveloped, and the cabinet designs were much more sophisticated.
The general trend towards slimmer, living room-friendly speakers has also led to the current, extremely successful nuLine series.
If you still have a lot of fun with your speakers, that's wonderful.
Our three model series nuVero, nuLine and nuBox are highly praised by most of our customers. We ask for your understanding that we do not intend to change this in the near future.
Your Nubert team
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Dear Mr. Grave,
The nuWave 10 in conjunction with the associated ATM module was a milestone for us (for loudspeakers of this size) in terms of precision and bass reproduction.
At that time there was also the "parallel model" in the nuLine family (nuLine 100) in a comparable price category.
With the successor family "nuVero" we were able to achieve bass advances that were definitely "unimaginable" before our laboratory work.
The new technology of the bass drivers brought a bass extension of more than half an octave, so that most of the ATM bass extensions for the nuWave and the earlier nuLine lines could already be integrated into the new speakers.
Thanks to the new crossover technology, which has eliminated the disadvantages of previous 3-way concepts, there are now also advantages in mid-range reproduction.
We are constantly making comparisons between earlier series and laboratory speakers and are convinced that the nuVero line (without ATM) also offers a very clear improvement in sound quality.
When comparing the nuWave 10 (with ATM) against the nuVero 10 (without ATM), it's not so easy...
If the progress in the precision of the mid-range reproduction doesn't seem so important, the nuVero series can trump with the double cone excursion, which corresponds to a quadrupling of the radiated sound power in the low bass range.
If I take my "own curiosity" as a basis, I would definitely want to test a nuVero 10 or -11 in comparison...
With best regards,
Günther Nubert

Author: ScanAll GmbH
Jul 4, 2014, 11:01:24 AM

Goods do not arrive and do not arrive. Available according to the store - note: "Please note that our speakers are generally dispatched within 1-2 working days". But nothing arrives. "All employees are always on the phone". Then finally a nice lady who says that the subwoofer will probably be dispatched today - it wasn't in stock. No notification. Incorrect information in the store regarding availability. Well, then our company party will be without a subwoofer. Fortunately, you don't really need a subwoofer. If you need something, you should order elsewhere, because Nubert gives the impression that you don't need their products anyway.
Customer service is different!

Answer from the Nubert-Team

Dear customer,
as we have just had a pleasant conversation: YES - we would like to sincerely apologize to you for this internal error, we can normally do this much faster and better!
However, we are sure that the quality of the subwoofer will quickly make you forget the teething troubles - and that it will fulfill its intended use perfectly;-)!
mfg
Martin Bühler

Author: mst
Jul 4, 2014, 10:20:02 AM

Yesterday I set up and connected my new NuBox 513 speakers. I previously had 481s in my home theater, but the 513s fit the screen better thanks to their slim design. I like the new surface even better than the 481s. Order, delivery and processing leave nothing to be desired (I didn't expect anything else). 🙂 🙂 🙂 I'm already looking forward to the Nupro AS 250.

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